Curse

Floski · Oct 01, 2007, 02:58 AM // 02:58

Inappropriate character names. lol. I miss the days of UO where people were thought mature enough to handle some guy's name. I guess every company babies its player base now, because their player base is mostly babies. Congrats with the new system Anet, you've found a way to make RA an even worse experience. I didn't think it was possible.

demonblade · Oct 01, 2007, 03:58 AM // 03:58

phhss... i got reported for using "bastard" and "damned" (not damn, but damned), using strip enchantment on a 55 and spiking him to death, saying "haha, thats what you get for trying to tank a W/N" to the 55, went to washroom while waiting RA match to begin at the gate, asking the W/Mo to wait for my energy to regen before pulling another 2 groups. yep, what a fun weekend.

sm5 · Oct 01, 2007, 05:18 AM // 05:18

This backlash against the /report system is appalling. Honestly, Anet gave the players a means to manage themselves. Sure, there will always be some vandals (look at Wikipedia) but at least Anet DID something. Give them some credit that they at least tried to fix a broken system instead of just gawking at it.

To anyone who thinks the /report system is a system that will be abused by every person on GW: get off your high horse. Just because you are not report happy doesn't mean everyone else is. Yes, there are jerks out there that ruin the game for other people. Yes, these jerks will crackle with delight when the report someone innocent. Brush it off and move on. To let one person ruin your day and then moan about it for the rest of your life is the most childish action you can take.

Besides, this is a temporary system. If it pisses you off that much, just come back in three or so days.

Kashrlyyk · Oct 01, 2007, 05:24 AM // 05:24

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Where is that thread? Because it's not this one.
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Here? http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...=465557&page=2

Dr Strangelove · Oct 01, 2007, 05:25 AM // 05:25

You know, I really appreciate the killing of leavers.

However, all the petty reporting over bad builds, anything in PvE, e-drama is stupid, and a good example of why vigilante justice is a bad thing.

DarkGanni · Oct 01, 2007, 05:52 AM // 05:52

When I saw the DCS on the update page first thing I said to myself was: Abuse by 13yr old kids, Seems like it's already happening. Huge workaround needed.

ayame ftw · Oct 01, 2007, 06:39 AM // 06:39

Now that’s an interesting, if u know how u are going to face in a tournament u can report the entire core team several times so they cant play…. Wiieeeee we got a free win!

Its nice to see anet is trying to solve the leech problem, but this doesn’t help with people abusing the system.

I would just auto ban people form pvp play that leave in the middle of the game for 30 min and add 30 mins every time it happens within a time span of 12 hours.
If some1 stands longer then 5 min on one spot in a pvp game u get banned form pvp play for 30 min and so on….

Cass · Oct 01, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57

I hardly experienced leavers as a problem in RA. It usually saves time when the match is pointless from the start. Occasionally, in a bout of weirdness, a monk would leave a team for no apparent reason (i.e., there wasn't another monk), but that was as far as my irritation went.

Now, RA is just a more tedious place than it was before. I never realized how annoying it is to have to sit and wait for some 10 dps stance tank ranger to be killed as the last man standing. I used to be able to leave at that point. I also managed to get into nothing but 2-3 monk teams last night, and found myself asking people to resign repeatedly. I even simply stopped doing anything at times, just to end the match. Never done that before. All in all I spent a lot of time just sitting there waiting for a match to end, rather than playing.

The system fails.

I know, you'll keep it in anyway. So, how about a report option for synching in RA please?

bungusmaximus · Oct 01, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

Report system baaad, it has so many flaws I don't even know where to start. Let's list a few:

-People aren't objective, so when they don't like someone they can screw him over big time.
-Lots of the 'leechers' in AB are actually slow loaders, really crappy if you get punished for not having top-notch computer gear.
-It encourages people to bitch about every little thing instead of teaching them to have a thick skin.
-It will create an absolutely boring, pussy whipped community if you can't even be honest with people anymore.
-etc etc

glountz · Oct 01, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

Report system baaad, it has so many flaws I don't even know where to start. Let's list a few:

-People aren't objective, so when they don't like someone they can screw him over big time.
-Lots of the 'leechers' in AB are actually slow loaders, really crappy if you get punished for not having top-notch computer gear.
-It encourages people to bitch about every little thing instead of teaching them to have a thick skin.
-It will create an absolutely boring, pussy whipped community if you can't even be honest with people anymore.
-etc etc

Oh yeah?
Did you try to do some AB's this weekend uh? Leechers issue has virtually stopped.
People use cautiously the /report system from what I saw. And if they don't, it backfires to you. Unless you can provide screenshots and any proof the /report has been misused (thing that no whiner anti-report system actually do), you are QQing.

bungusmaximus · Oct 01, 2007, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by glountz

Oh yeah?
Did you try to do some AB's this weekend uh? Leechers issue has virtually stopped.
People use cautiously the /report system from what I saw. And if they don't, it backfires to you. Unless you can provide screenshots and any proof the /report has been misused (thing that no whiner anti-report system actually do), you are QQing.

I don't know about FA or JQ, but in the 12vs12 maps leeching really wasn't that bad imo. The only thing I've seen happen a lot is people going afk when the match is turning into utter failure (like when your side is 400 points behind). People really mistake lagging people for leechers, I know that from personal experience because I zoned into a match a few times when windows was auto-updating.

I really like what they did to RA though, against the leavers, just switch from 8 minutes to 1-2 minutes and righteous people won't waste their time on chasing stance noobs anymore.
A report system however, especially if it works that easily, tastes like gestapo practice (don't flame, HUGE exaggeration). I don't like people telling off and I find it rather childish. I personally don't care much about language abuse at all. Maybe I am numb from sitting in HA int1 too much, I don't know :P

Antheus · Oct 01, 2007, 10:07 AM // 10:07

Guild Wars community is one of the worst of any online game (Halo series probably tops it).

If this mechanism filters out the worst, then it succeeds. It's just funny how normal and acceptable some people find abusive behaviour.

No, calling people nub repeatedly is not ok. Telling someone to piss off is not ok. Watching TV and afking while in a pvp match is not ok. Griefing an entire PvP arena for whole day is not ok.

But in GW, it became the norm. Way of life. Part of gameplay.

Games that are abusable will attract abusers. It only took one warning and the trade spam stopped. It'll take one simple system, and the pvp nonsense will stop.

The only real problem with report system is that it's only 2 years too late. The complete lack of any respect for social sphere has killed random pvp, and established abominable behavior as the norm. And since it has been around for so long, everyone assumes this is the way it had to be.

It's not.

Duaric · Oct 01, 2007, 11:04 AM // 11:04

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Guild Wars community is one of the worst of any online game (Halo series probably tops it).

If this mechanism filters out the worst, then it succeeds. It's just funny how normal and acceptable some people find abusive behaviour.

No, calling people nub repeatedly is not ok. Telling someone to piss off is not ok. Watching TV and afking while in a pvp match is not ok. Griefing an entire PvP arena for whole day is not ok.

But in GW, it became the norm. Way of life. Part of gameplay.

Games that are abusable will attract abusers. It only took one warning and the trade spam stopped. It'll take one simple system, and the pvp nonsense will stop.

The only real problem with report system is that it's only 2 years too late. The complete lack of any respect for social sphere has killed random pvp, and established abominable behavior as the norm. And since it has been around for so long, everyone assumes this is the way it had to be.

It's not.

Well said. It is amazing that those that cry foul are the ones that were the cause to start with. Those that are negative toward Gaile, should do her job for a month. Then you might have something credible to complain about. For the most part , the system works.

yesitsrob · Oct 01, 2007, 01:14 PM // 13:14

There should be a dinshonorable title! Yes!

Oh yeah the system is fail, especially the leaving RA part and randomly being able to report for no reason at all.

rangersaurus · Oct 01, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27

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Originally Posted by yesitsrob

... randomly being able to report for no reason at all.

I believe that is incorrect.

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You may use the Guild Wars Report System within the game to alert the company to in-game issues such as inappropriate behavior, offensive names, the perceived use of a "bot", or other misconduct, as specified in the Dishonorable Conduct System. You may not use the Guild Wars Report System to inflict harm upon or harass another player, to submit false reports, or to cause undue load on our servers. Individuals who abuse the reporting function will be investigated and will face possible account suspension or account termination. -GW Rules of Conduct, Rule 23

Unlucky · Oct 01, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Personally, I am quite a large fan of Guild Wars PvP, with RA being my most favoured. You know what I have to say towards this new update?

BLOODY BRILLIANT!

Why you ask, with all the complaining? Well it's because Anet are finally doing something about the, and I don't use this term lightly, appalling state RA has fallen into as of late. With such a bold statement must come a supporting argument; Before this update...Let's have a look shall we? Random Arena was full of leavers, I could barely get a game where someone wasn't leaving because of QQ two monks\oh this team'll suck\flat out random leaving...Now, with the QQ two Monks statement I must myself admit I have left sometimes, however it was just getting ridiculous before this update was introduced.

On top of the leavers, rampart abuse was MORE than common, in fact it was terrible. I've played in other MMORPG's (WoW, Runescape, Silkroad Online, Rubies of Eventide for example...) and YES, there was abuse however it most certainly wasn't as bad as in the RA lobby's and even in-game, where you'd think people would be concentrating more on the killing-side of things.

While yes, I will admit that some abuse is simply unavoidable when you have flat out unsociable smeg heads standing there and taunting you while he\she runs around an arena for 90 minutes and stopping you from getting that hard earned glad point on 9 wins....It does not need to be thrown every which-a-way.
And I must say, this new 8 minute cap is a Godsend, for the longest while now I have been hoping that some form of time limit would be put on RA and finally, it was. This will stop all those insanely long matches that have absolutely no insight of ending except for leaving.

Unfortunately, I was only able to purchase Factions lately and therefore was not able to participate in, what I have found to be enjoyable, Alliance Battles. However I had heard from many friends and Guild\Alliance members that there was an annoying amount of leavers, and if vigilante justice is what's needed to stop them? Then so be it. From what I witnessed, the leecher problem has pretty much solved it self with this new system.

Now...Back to the dishonour system. Honestly?....While I do believe it to be a needed step to get the PvP society back under control, I must say that leave once and you can't PvP for 10 minutes is a little harsh. I would think maybe that if you leave three or so times within the space of half an hour, THEN you won't be able to PvP for perhaps half an hour....Because let's face it; There are simply matches where you want to leave to go try again and not waste your time.

About this 13 year old spamming it the /report command, well yes this thought has entered my mind...In fact it was the first thought that came to my head "Oh, that'll be abused." but must a few not be sacrificed for the greater good? If we can stop bots\leechers\90 minute matches\an abysmal amount of leavers then is that not better than nothing? I do believe I recall A LOT of people asking, even begging for Anet to introduce a system just like this one, where we are able to report to Anet that someone's doing something terribly annoying and have some retribution for it.

Yes, my comments are biased....However who's aren't? You show me one persons comments who are not biased in one way or another and I shall give you a congratulatory clap. (Assuming I agree.)

So, in short, this system was needed, they're trying it out, it's got problems, there's people for and against, hopefully Anet will fix the bugs and bring it under control. What have I said that hasn't been heard before? Probably nothing. However you now have one extra persons opinion on the "For" side of the /report system.

HawkofStorms · Oct 01, 2007, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by glountz

Oh yeah?
Did you try to do some AB's this weekend uh? Leechers issue has virtually stopped.
People use cautiously the /report system from what I saw. And if they don't, it backfires to you. Unless you can provide screenshots and any proof the /report has been misused (thing that no whiner anti-report system actually do), you are QQing.

I agree. Most of the people who are complaining are just being paranoid about hypothetical situations. If you actually PLAY THE GAME instead of just whining about every update A.net does, to see how it works, you will find that the update is working quite well. Most of the stuff people are complaining about are just irrational fears with no real basis.

Timeless Logic · Oct 01, 2007, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by reverse_oreo

Anet cant affort in-game gamemasters.... ILL DO IT FOR FREE! Every single town/outpost/AB/RA/TA match i go to there is blatant racism and offensive material. All they need are some quality ingame GM's. Thats it. Anet could have countless people signing up to do this for free.

I'll do it for free as well. I have GMed without payment before, and I'm more than willing to do so again to improve the GW community and playing experience.

With regards to the report system, I'm all for it. If you aren't willing to go through with a PvP match, don't enter. Sure, it's harsh, but the state of the game (pun intended) has decayed to a degree that requires intervention. Players don't listen to one another, even when advice is given politely and in good faith. My advice to anyone dissatisfied: suck it up and wait. Updates of this nature require tweaking in most every game, and keep in mind that ANet needs ample time to collect data, sort the good from the bad, brainstorm fixes and implement them into the game mechanics. If you're banned for 10, 30 or even 60 minutes, get out of your chair and get some fresh air. Hell, at least grab a drink and relax for a bit.

This game is one-of-a-kind. It takes time to update, just as it took time to create. If you're upset with the current rate of progress, post feedback in the GWGuru support forum. The devs check here often, and there are far fewer well-crafted forum posts than there are angry in-game support claims.

Gigashadow · Oct 01, 2007, 04:51 PM // 16:51

I played a lot on the weekend and didn't see any abuse of the report function. I did see a lot of leechers reported however. I am glad that some of random arenas are playable now.

The majority of the posts on this thread seem to be concerned about how the system "could" be exploited, not by actually being exploited by it.

ReiNaruto · Oct 01, 2007, 05:04 PM // 17:04

I dont know if the system is abused or not, I just know that I was threated: "Leet-man stop killing me with your lame-toucher build or I'll report you". Instead I reported him, I told other players and they also reported him.

The funny thing is that I was playing a R/N, but I was a pretty standard Barrage interrupter with Gaze of Contempt.

Maybe he though that I was other player.